Friday 2 April 2010

Alcoholic Consumption and Improper Social Behaviours at Malaysian Events



Petition Title: Alcoholic Consumption and Improper Social Behaviours at Malaysian Events.


Date: 26th March 2010

On Friday 19th March 2010, a musical concert was held at the University of Manchester, an even organised by ‘Kugiran Negara ke United Kingdom Enterprise’ (KNUKE) in collaboration with the Malaysian Student Society of Manchester (MSSM). It featured a Malaysian band, ‘Couple’, along with a host of British bands that includes The Rays, House of Five, The Stowaways and The Beat Marshals and a junior band comprising of children around the age of 10. The concert took place between 6pm and 10pm at the Student Union’s Main Hall and was reportedly attended by approximately 150 people, 80-90% of which were Muslim Malaysians who are currently studying in Manchester.

During the course of the concert eyewitnesses have confirmed that alcohol was liberally consumed by the majority of the people in the audience, including the said Muslim Malaysians. In a recent correspondence with the co-organizer (MSSM), it was claimed that neither the KNUKE nor the MSSM distributed or sold alcohol to the audience. While the organizers admitted to having served alcohol to the British bands upon request, it was only confined to the backstage room, a place where nobody apart from the organizers had access to. Several members of the audience have reported that Muslim Malaysians were seen buying alcoholic drinks from a bar outside the gig venue, and some claim that those who purchased alcohol later distributed it among the audience. Both KNUKE and MSSM have insisted that the organizers were in no position to prevent the purchase and distribution of alcohol due to the fact that the Student Union has no regulation that restricts such acts.

Free mingling between members of both sexes was also on full display, according to reports by several members of the audience. Some Muslim Malaysians were seen kissing in public and engaged in manners unfit for students bearing the Islamic and Malaysian image. These behaviours could have been induced by the alcoholic consumption, even though most of the members of the audience were not drunk at the concert. Regardless of their mental state, the behaviours displayed by these students were below par by Malaysian standard and in serious breach of Islamic social regulations.

Many students all over the UK are concerned with the reports above, primarily because it is felt that the activities mentioned above could have been prevented and should not be allowed to be replicated in any Malaysian event attended by Malaysian Muslims. The Islamic Medical Association of Malaysia (IMAM) has pointed out that not only was the consumption of alcohol at the concert a cause for concern, but the fact that there was even presence of alcohol at an event that claimed to be Malaysian and that it was attended by Muslims and children is a further point of worry. The consumption and distribution of alcohol is strictly prohibited in Islam and the Malaysian culture is against free and public display of affection between members of both sexes. It is believed that the behaviours indulged in at the concert were a gross distortion of the image of both Islam and Malaysia.


We, representing the majority of students in the UK who are against the social conduct displayed at the concert, would like to strongly urge the Malaysian Student Department to do the following:


1. Conduct a thorough investigation into how alcohol was freely distributed at an event hosted by Malaysian organizations who denied involvement in both the purchase and the distribution of alcohol among the audience. Those responsible, whether in professional or personal capacity, should be held accountable and given a gentle reminder of the appropriate social conduct that needs to be observed at an entertainment event such as this. We believe that this investigation needs to commence promptly so as to avoid a replication of the same social picture at the next concert featuring the Malaysian band Couple, which will also be attended by many Malaysian Muslims.

2. Draw a clear set of regulations that needs to be abided by future organizers of like events. We are aware that part of the reason behind the excessive behaviours at the said concert was due to the fact there had been no definitive and concrete guideline of what is morally accepted in a social event and what is not. The MSD must play a central role in standardizing the social code of Malaysian entertainment events in the hope of preventing the presence of alcohol and the display of inappropriate behaviours among those in attendance.

3. Produce a clear and firm statement regarding this issue for the attention of all Malaysian communities in the United Kingdom. It is hoped that once this is done, the message will be conveyed that what happened at the concert is not condoned and accepted by the Malaysian community.

4. Commence efforts to ensure that all future Malaysian events are alcohol-free. It is widely accepted that the UK is steeped in its alcoholic tradition which Muslim students must respect. However, the respect given must be merely formal in nature and we believe that the MSD must attempt at creating an alcohol-free environment for Malaysian students where it is possible to do so and it is strongly held that the aforementioned concert was one such example. Promoting alcohol-free environments will not be difficult considering the high level of tolerance commonly associated with the United Kingdom.

Your cooperation to support this cause and fulfill the requests as stated above is highly appreciated.


59 comments:

  1. no alchohol pls!
    plus...

    no free mingling between member of different genders!

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  2. Yes, it is time for MSD their pledged role as stated at www.masduke.net:

    --To provide guidance, be them (students) on academic, social, religious or vocational matters.
    --To look after their (students) welfare and security needs.

    nikmadihah, newcastle upon tyne

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  3. Say NO to alcohol

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  4. cis melayu tak sedar diri!! gua sedeh gua sedeh !! mudah mudahan Allah buka hati mereka.. insyaallah..

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  5. all future Malaysian events are alcohol-free????

    abes la badan berbau nanti kalau xpkai perfume/body spray/deo...
    perfume ade alcohol gak..lol
    gurau je yerr..

    btul ke ade kawan2 yg consume kencing syaitan ni?? ke org mistaken tgk botol jus J20/barbican/etc ingt botol arak...xbaek tau dgr kate2 je xde bukti.

    anyways,

    rasenyer ade jer pendekatan lain yg bole gunakan. sbb bila difikirkan, ni bukan nyer kt malaysia dmana kita bole kawal n sekat semua benda. kalau sifolan2 yg gemar minum kencing syaitan ni nk minum dia akan minum jugak xkira tmpt or masa.kalau sifolan2 ni nk "bergaul mesra" diorang akan buat jugak.

    pada pendapat saya, kalau bole xnk la kita ni di cop sbgai masyarakat yg byk "NO", NO alcohol,no this, no that, no yada2..rase nyer ade jer cara lain yg lebih lembut pendekatan utk kawan2 kite ni. bole jer bagi pesanan lembut b4 any events reminding people to try restrain themselves from consuming alcohol or doing indecent acts in an event that is majority involved by Muslims(atleast until the end of the event,after event sukatila).

    imo, even if after this there is an act or regulations that is made, it's going to be quite hard to implement. People will just call it an event organized by local uk people but joined by malaysian. Terus xbole pkai those acts, ade je helah nnt.

    lgi byk rules,lg byk silap nnt nmpk.

    kene perbykkn usrah ni kwn2..

    harap2 kawan2 kita yg minum2 ni xguna duit scholarship la bli air kencing syaitan tu..
    moga2 terbuka hati merekaaaaaa...aminnn


    jangan marah..nnt kne jual :P

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  6. Allah encik mat, boleh baca balik petition ni betul2 :)

    Tidaklah kita minta berlebihan. Kempen bukan sebarang kempen.

    Kita cuma mahu tarik perhatian MSD, anak-anak jagaan mereka ada yang terlalai. Dah melanggar etika kesopanan dan kesusilaan Rukun Negara. Kata 1 Malaysia kan?

    Apa MSD boleh buat? Boleh lihat komen Madihah Newcastle, dalam website MSD memang dah tulis peranan mereka :)

    yupp, at the same time no doubt usrah is rally important tho. tapi tindakan pihak berkuasa tak kurang pentingnya!

    cheers

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  7. i did read, sorry lah kalau english saya x power la kan smpi x bape faham. but guidance and regulation is 2 different thing.
    Then, Its easy for setting up regulation but enforcement? dont be like in msia..too many regulation but lack of enforcement..how many MSD officer that are willing to come to every single event and making sure that the regulation are implemented? kalau london or manchester boleh lah as the there are MSD officer there..what about other places? i think its better to tackle the issue with much less force..as everyone knows newton law, opposite force pun kuat juga. for example, even some of the university student guild or union said that they gonna sell drink to the audience its up to them whether to buy or not. they are just selling ..just like selling alcohol in 7eleven. should we band 7e from selling alcohol? even in the event, there are other stuff on sale as well..such as j20 it is entirely up for the student to decide. therefore, to tackle this problem is not implementing rules or regulation but do something to make people think. usrah usually attend by the SAME people..they look at people who 'wronged' as if they are disgusted by it. how can 'hidayah' reach to them? come on guys lets not have another malaysia logic..for example,when there is not enough dr in msia due to student doesnt come back, make more medic school and send more student to oversea, but in the end, more housemans than the hospitals in msia can occupy..lets not have a knee-jerk reaction..brain is precious. we are the future leaders of the country..how can u create someone full of wisdom and knowledge when you keep on saying NO? think people think.

    dekatkan diri anda dengan rakan sekeliling anda. small things could lead to a greater effect.

    alcohol free environment in Malaysia? good luck!*trying ur best uh?*
    alcohol free environment in msian event in UK? uh uh..

    cheers.

    p/s: did u hear about 1malaysia copied from 1israel idea? God, how weird!
    somehow or rather msia is not made up entirely from malays only..there are chinese and indian not to mention other ethnic(they allowed to consume alcohol kan?). hidup 1malaysia!!!!

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  8. oi "matt"! lu kecoh kecoh apa hal?

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  9. contaminated-cookiesshop, matt tak kecoh pon. yg kecohnye kau. so mind ur words. we dont need and appreciate, neither entertain baseless statements such as yours to be comprehended by the so-called 'intellectuals'.

    anyways, matt, good arguments and approach, very reasonable. good to know there's still people who use logics to overcome emotions amongst us malays.

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  10. Two advice to all of you..

    "the road to hell is paved with good intention"

    "Fitnah itu lagi teruk dari membunuh"..

    I understand your concern as Muslims towards the alcohol, kissing etc. But sampai tahap kena resort to Fitnah to make your point?
    You guys need to rethink your strategy.What you are doing is trying to be a gossip magazine. Creating an issue so that you've got a hot story.

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  11. say NO to Alcohol and improper behaviours at Malaysian events !!!

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  12. 'Peter Styvesent' lu belum hidup dengan keadaaan 'kehidupan sebenar' lg bai !! lu muda lagi..

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  13. assalamualaikum semua..

    tu la kan cookiesshop.. yg ni lah gaya org yg kenal 'kehidupan sebenar' eh?? hahaha

    lu takyah sibok2 hal UK la.. gi join budak2 darjah 2 tu blaja ckp omputeh dulu.

    pastu lu bole nk sound org lain muda..lu tua sgt ker!

    ni extract dari page en cookie yg tua and bijaksana:

    http://contaminated-cookiesshop.blogspot.com/

    "Gua lama tak update blog Cookiesshop, gua sebuk cuci van the A-Team gua. Ari ni gua ada citer best, pasal music scene kat Manchester, organize by Malaysian (student2 MELAYU (MUSLIM KE? ) yg belajar kat Manchester). Bikin minum2 arak.. cum molot, kongkek masa tgh gig hahaha hehehehhe .. lu jangan pikir lu duk obersea lu boleh bikin itu macam brader!? Lu kena ingat Tuhan nampak beb... mana2 budak2 yg gi sana involve dgn 'kejadian' tersebut, pukimak anak haram! dah la lu pakai duit cukai gaji aku! baruah punya melayu babi anak anjing!! so bdk malaysian sana kasi kuar petition takmo ada arak.. agak2 lu orang nk kasi bikin panas lg, lu org join sama aaaa....
    'Kejadian' yg gua nak cerita tu lu kasi kat bawah ni, agak2 tak paham lu buku dictionary.."

    salam.

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  14. LOL. en cookie en cookie. cakap pon tak serupa bikin, duk carut sana sini kat blog. all the curses in d world. pls remember, riak adalah pakaian tuhan, hanya Dia layak memakainya. kita nih sbagai hambaNya tak layak even sehelai benang riak. kau dah idop lama pon, terlebih makan asam garam kehidupan pon, tp kehidupan manusia berlainan experience dr hari ke hari, so why dont u just keep quiet and start to rethink about ur approach in ur life.

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  15. I am speaking as someone who is in the know of what has been done about this. I dont see a point this entry (and the blog is created for this entry alone) since there has been a meeting held among the organisers, MSD officer, Malaysian Societies and they have come up to a conclusion. Few actions will be taken by MSD, as such, no petition is needed to urge MSD to do so.

    Therefore, i humbly advise this blog can be closed, or privatised.

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  16. Assalamualaikum

    please. Islam is more than this. it is definitely more than "you cant do this, you will go to hell!". tiada paksaan dalam Islam and there is a fine line between dakwah(which means to menyeru kearah kebaikan) and enforcement. in Islam you serve God because you want to, not because you are forced to. im being incoherent, but i hope i got my point across. and let us not confuse Islam, Malays, and Malaysian. and i agree with Matt.

    and as for contaminated-cookiesshop, what is with the crude and vulgar words to address your brothers? in Qur'an, it is stated that it is a big sin to cause hatred among each other, and you are doing it in an open entry where just about anyone with a internet connection has an access to. can you imagine just how many people have been influenced by what you have said? and you are doing it sober too. now, who is tarnishing the name of Islam?

    just a cent of thoughts from me.

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  17. Afiq Ben(MCOT), Ahmad Khalis(MSM), Alwi(IMAM), as well as the KNUKE team and MSD officer Pn Azimah have already sat down, discussed this issue together, and have settled it. Therefore, if the head of all these societies can happily settle this matter, then every member of these societies should be satisfied too. So there is no reason for you, pengecut yg takut nak letak nama kat blog, to bring this matter up again. The matter has been dealt with, and any attempts to ungkit and mengapi-apikan hal ini is purely intended to disrupt the peace among students in manchester, and have no good intention to it whatsoever. If you are smiling about how many comments there are, know that you brought conflict among your fellow Muslims and are not bringing any good to the community, and Allah is watching you. The case is closed, deal with it. Don't feel extra responsible for others. If you really want to rant about something, rant about the Islamic education in schools: how affective are they? Find a new case, like how there are some Malaysian muslims that have the "Holier than thou mentality". or lets make a petition to eradicate all other societies in Manchester except the only one registered under the University. This will reduce the tension as everyone will be working under one name and would therefore strive to make the society better. Would you like to see it turn to extremity? Because that is what you are portraying. Extremism in Islam when it has already been settled. Sifat x puas hati, and nak menang jugak. cemane you nak happy ni. so close this blog, and dont look back. look forward. if you have things to say, put your opinion up before an event happens. it is YOUR fault for not asking about it or have a say in it BEFORE the event, then bile event tu dah habis, nak kecoh2 pulak. tak ke pengecut tu? dah3... bende ni dah lama settle, xyah ape2 dah. just be more collaborative with the societies in manchester to provide the best services for their students ok... kalau u nak, u run la position mane2. senang skit for u k?

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  18. @Sjazz

    Kenapakah timbul pula ekstrimism dalam Islam?

    You wrote:

    "..if you have things to say, put your opinion up before an event happens..."

    That is what this petition is doing (or whoever wrote this petition). This person is suggesting that something must be done (refer to no. 2, 3 and 4) BEFORE the same event occur again IN THE FUTURE.


    (-_-")


    Allah knows best.

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  19. 1. Its extreme when bende yg boleh settle elok2 dan mmg DAH settle elok2 ade orang pulak nak dig out the problem again and buat hoo-haa besar2 dan menggunakan nama Islam to justify themselves.

    2. i was talking about the gig night itself. its a gig. guys and girls will be in the same area! expected much? same as chinese new year celebration, hari raya celebration. hmmm besides, that is not what the petition is doing which is anonymous aka cowardly. its not even a legal petition. its just something someone stupid made to cause tension between students in manchester. matlamat x menghalalkan cara.

    -_-

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  21. good luck on your exams ppl!

    orang islam di malaysia selalu cakap, matlamat tak menghalalkan cara, tapi most of the cases (i said, most, and not statistically significant, cuz it's my personal observation) involve muslims ourselves, yg halalkan cara yang tak betul supaya menunjukkan dirinya islam.

    again, good luck on your exams. dont mask yourself with islam, so that you can give fallacy and misleading notions such as in this petition. pity for you if thats the case.

    and once again, to mr cookie chipsmore, let us be civilised and humble towards each other. freedom of speech clearly channels through internet blogs, but there should always be a limit. ada batasan. so that u kno, islam, also has limitations on all areas of wisdom.

    and like every other ppl would put at the end of their posts (be it condemning, criticising mahupun pujian),

    Allah knows best.

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  22. Standardizing the social code of Malaysian entertainment events in the hope of preventing the presence of alcohol and the display of inappropriate behaviours among those in attendance.."

    Sorry but i'm afraid that this only represents
    the view of some Malaysians. We should bear in mind that M'sia is a diverse country and although i agree that there shouldn't be over-consumption especially at events with children, there should be space for people to think and act accordingly. Kalau nak demokrasi, kenalah respect dan berkompromi.

    Human beings are created with brains, a heart and a soul. Who are we to judge other people and set rules for them? We're not God, surely.

    Having a conscience and good values should be coupled with the freedom of choice and ability to accept differences.

    It doesn't matter whether u'r in the uk, m'sia or the middle east. The individual can only think and act for himself. Whether it's right or wrong, that's 'his' journey to learn from. And anyway, right and wrong has completely different implications in different societies. It's just a perception.

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  23. ahhhh janji gua kenal sapa gua gua tak hipokrit! 'budakewl' & 'Peter Styvesent' masih mentah terantang tang...

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  24. tak hypocrite cookie?
    aku rasa ko baik buku dictionary ko tu, tgk ape maksud hypocrite.

    dah takde point tu duduk diam2 je la basuh van ko. Nak jugak menyibok comment2 kat tempat orang bijak pandai ni.

    dah2 .. gi main jauh2

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  25. hahaha. that is..absolutely true budakewl.

    orang2 mentah ni la yg akan menjadikan dunia kau yg serba huru hara tuh, lebih teratur. cmna kau tak hipokrit? dah perangai buruk sgt, mmg la takleh nak pura2 jadi pandai dan baik. tp bila kau tunjuk yg kau sapot petition nih, kononnye kau nih gak no to alcohol la kan? padahal perangai cm budak baru nak up. kau yg hipokrit. kami tunjuk pandangan masing2, which are totally unbiased. or kau tak paham bahasa inggeris? sbb yg tulis2 kat sini semuanya hipokrit, kau sorang tak. ktorang sume gune english walaupon melayu. hipokrit sgt ktorang nih. kau tuh? level of intelligence dah tinggal jauh, toksah la nak kecoh2 tunjukkan pengalaman kau kat org len, kononnye makan garam sgt. atuk aku lagi berpengalaman dr kau lagi, tp still akur pada benda yg betol dr orang2 mentah cm aku ni.

    dah2, shuh, shuh, shuh. gi men jejauh (i like this, budakewl)

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  26. la tak abis lagi? marah betul kena tegur.. hahaha ini lah dia 'ciri-ciri bakal pemimpin'.. sedeh dan keji

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  27. u're so cool, with ur vulgar words and indecent behavior. tak marah, just menghalau je.

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  28. wehh cookie... nak ape lg ko ni?
    buat point sangat la tak relevant..
    "sedih dan keji"??
    memang sah ko ni reti ckp kosong je.

    ni la dia jenis2 orang yang support petition ni.

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  29. hehe, ni bincang pasal hipokrit ape lak ni? ish3

    rasanya petition ni lebih kepada 'tak mahu benda sama berulang' lagi. ye lah, nuat dekat bar contohnya perlu dielakkan. walaupun mmg tak hidang arak ke a ape, tapi still dekat bar dan seolah membuka pintu untuk ruang benda tak baik ni berlaku


    sheffield pon ade gig, tp xde la buat kat bar. buat kat church lg. hehe


    walaupun blur baca sebab english tak power, usaha anon ni buat tak perlu kita kutuk. cadangan yg dibuat tu sangat comel lagi. walaupun ada yg sesetengah kata ni cuba lebih2kan, elok la kita lebih2kan benda yg berat ni. at least nanti setiap persatuan tahu mana tempat yg boleh dibuat


    kesian kat MSD banyak keje, kite student la kena voice up benda ni kat kawan2 kite. kata 1malaysia, benda baik, kita sama2 tego la

    hehe


    psss : yang bising2 ni klik link xkluar pon, sape yg takot sape yg berani ni? kekeke!

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  30. @joe

    "elok la kita lebih2kan benda yg berat ni"

    elokkah kalau kita lebih2 kan cerita dengan memburukkan nama orang lain?

    bagi contoh la kan,
    kalau aku buat cerita:
    "Joegrimjow kencing atas kepala budak kecik. Sama2 lah kita sebarkan cerita ni kat semua orang agar benda ni tak berulang lagi. Kita sama2 islam perlu ingat mengingati."

    ni dengan niat yang baik ni. Nak mengelakkan issue kencing atas kepala jadi lagi. So kita patut support?

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  31. yg p.s dia tuh yg comel tuh. dah cm perli, ade je kekeke gelak comel. i like~

    oh kalau nak berkenalan ngan saya, sila ke bulost9.blogspot.com. nama saya bulost, ex student di uk. sekian, wassalam.

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  32. cik adam, kekeke!

    kat atas ni bukan lebih kepada memburuk, lebih kepada taknak benda berat berulang lagi. kalau boleh higlight ayat mana yg memburukkan, bagus juga ni, boleh quotekan ayat kat atas tu yg memburukkan?


    pandai analogi, tapi agak kasar, meh nak bagi analogi yg kasar jugak. sama la kan?


    'kalau adam bunuh ulama terkenal kat UK dan joegrimjow nampak, takkan joegrimjow nak diam saja tak bgtau kat polis? alasan nak nasihat adam dulu dan harap adam sedar dan benda ini tidak berulang lagi'
    kekeke


    analogi cam cam kite boleh buat, cuma sesuai ke tidak je la. lgpon dalam bahas, analogi takde markah pon, sebab takde bukti.


    pss : sorry terkasar, kadang2 kita emo kita takleh kawal perasan jugak. saya manusia yg agak panas baran, sorry la ye




    pasal kes macam ni, sepanjang duk uk, ramai je ku kenal yg tegok arak. tu tak campo duduk sebumbung lagi laki perempuan.


    kata sorang kawan yg p concert ni, mmg penganjur tak hidang arak pun, tapi masalahnya dekat dengan bar. itu yang kita mahu ambil iktibar, harap penganjur lebih berhati hati untuk adakan acara camni.


    harap malaysia terus aman... student malaysia kat uk pon aman damai hendaknya



    peter, kekeke tu gaya, bleh baca kat blog saya untuk tengok gaya penulisan saya. kalau rasa cam sindir, nauzubillah tiada niat pun.

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  33. you want to click on my link go ahead, i just changed the setting. didnt know it was private. takde pape pun. u nak baca blog i bacalah. hadoi...

    anyway, Joe, masalahnya bukan nak lebih2kan bende supaya boleh dielakkan, phase itu sudah lepas semasa ketua2 societies di manchester iaitu MCOT, IMAM, MSM, MSSM dan MSD membuat perjumpaan dan settlekan isu ini. bende ni dah settle among all the societies in manchester. Namun, selepas perjumpaan itu, seorang perempuan ahli MCOT bernama Lyda menyebarkan petition ini even selepas President MCOT iaitu Afiq Ben telah sendiri berkata isu ini sudah selesai. Jadi, sekarang, orang terkonpius kenapa ahli MCOT ini still nak menyebarkan petition ini walaupun sudah settle, dan soalan seterusnya adalah apakah tindakan Afiq seterusnya sebagai President MCOT untuk membetulkan kesilapan ahli persatuannya.

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  34. saya orang MSSM dan saya sangat tidak puas hati dengan apa yang dilakukan oleh seorang member MCOT yang menyebarkan petition ini, walaupun kes ini sudah DITUTUP dan DISELESAIKAN dengan CARA AMAN DAMAI ye.

    sudah banyak orang di Manchester tahu tentang mesyuarat antara MSD dengan ketua2 persatuan pelajar Malaysia di Manchester. tetapi yang pelik nye, kenapa petition ini kena disebarkan lagi?

    wahai Joegrimjow sedarkah anda bahawa kita berada di UK dan di mana2 kita berada pon ada bar? tahun-tahun sebelum ini, KNUKE memang mengadakan gig dalam bar. tapi kerana tahun ini KNUKE manchester collaborate dengan MSSM, kami dari MSSM berjaya mendapat dewan di student union kami untuk gig ini bagi mengelakkan masalah2 seperti orang (contohnya anda) bertanya kenapa kita kena adakan gig itu di tempat haram seperti bar.

    biar saya jelaskan pada encik Joe yang memang peraturan Student union membenarkan minuman dibawa keluar masuk dewan. itu peraturan mereka. kami hanya mengikut. bar itu dibuka untuk students yang berada dalam student union. dan sekiranya encik Joe tidak tahu, bar itu tidak hanya menyediakan alcohol tetapi juga menyediakan minuman yang HALAL seperti lemonade,coke dan juices.

    sekiranya penonton gig ingin membeli alcohol, kita sebagai pihak penganjur tidak dapat menghalang. cuba encik Joe fikir betul2, kita ni sudah dewasa. bukan budak2 lagi. halal haram boleh fikir sendiri. tak perlu orang beritahu. tetapi kita sebagai umat Islam hanya boleh sekadar menasihati, tidak lebih dari itu. tambahan pula, keadaan dewan memang gelap masa gig.. ramai orang pulak tu. takkan pihak penganjur nak kena check minuman setiap penonton?

    selain itu, pihak MSD sudah bersetuju untuk mengeluarkan peraturan atau guidelines yang perlu dipatuhi oleh semua persatuan pelajar Malaysia di UK apabila ingin mengadakan acara/majlis/gig dan sebagainya. kami dari MSSM juga bersetuju akan mematuhi peraturan itu pada masa akan datang.

    kesimpulannya, petition ini tidak perlu atau dalam bahasa Inggeris, kita kata "NOT VALID". oleh yang demikian, kami dari MSSM dan KNUKE berasa bahawa pihak yang membuat petition dalam blog ini hanya bertujuan untuk memalukan dan mengaibkan persatuan kami. tambahan pula, sekiranya niat mereka ini baik, tidak perlu lah ada petition ini dan disebarkan di internet. nama MSSM dan KNUKE sudah tercemar dan sekarang kami tidak akan berfikir dua kali untuk mengambil tindakan tegas. kami dari MSSM dan KNUKE bukannya orang yang tak ada sivil dan tidak boleh dibawa bincang. tetapi harap anda semua faham, perkara ini sudah disebarkan berleluasa sehingga orang di Malaysia pun sudah tahu. sudah tentu orang yang membaca blog ini percaya bulat2 dengan apa yang dituduh.

    saya cadangkan penulis blog ini sila tutup blog ini. anda tidak akan mendapat apa2 daripada blog ini, kecuali hanya memecah belahkan orang Malaysia di Manchester dan mengaibkan persatuan kami. sesungguhnya apa yang anda buat ini sangat keji. ingat, dosa dengan Tuhan, anda boleh minta keampunan terus dari-Nya, tapi dosa sesama manusia, anda hanya boleh mohon daripada orang yang anda lakukan dosa itu.

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  35. sorry joe.. bahasa terkasar sikit. Tapi ko kena tau.. 1st time deorg sebarkan cerita ni deorg buat cerita mcm ni.

    "organizer tolak trolley serve arak to crowd"

    100% fitnah.

    Walaupun dah clarify kat deorg, skrg deorg tukar cerita macam ni:

    ko kena baca ayat dia betul2.
    1st point
    "During the course of the concert eyewitnesses have confirmed that alcohol was liberally consumed by the MAJORITY of the people in the audience, including the said Muslim Malaysians..."
    cerita dibesar2kan dengan false fact

    2nd
    "it was CLAIMED that neither the KNUKE nor the MSSM distributed or sold alcohol to the audience."

    Clever play of words. In a way nak kata .. tak sure tapi pada pandangan deorg is that organizer distributed and sold alcohol.

    3rd
    "and some claim that those who purchased alcohol later distributed it among the audience."
    Menambahkan cerita2 palsu.

    4th
    "Both KNUKE and MSSM have INSISTED that the organizers were in no position to prevent the purchase and distribution of alcohol.."
    In the end dia masukkan balik nama organizer, untuk link cerita ni kat organizer balik.

    Nampak tak cik gimjow macam mana ayat2 tu sangat penting.

    and kembali kat anologi ko

    kalau ada orang cerita kat ko:
    "adam bunuh ulama kat UK. Please call polis untuk tangkap dia"

    ape ko akan fikir pasal adam?

    and katakan, polis dah siasat kes tu. And confirm aku tak bunuh ulama tu.

    tapi takde sape cerita kat ko yang sebenarnya polis dah check and aku tak bunuh ulama tu.

    ko tetap akan ingat aku sebagai pembunuh tu. kan?

    *drum rolls*

    ta da!

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  36. sorry to say guys, no use to convince these types of people. in their eyes, we are just as disgusting. as simple as that. every year ade benda sama jadik. selagi tak sama line ngn mereka, they wont satisfy. thats a 'dakwah' according to them. <<-- now am i giving out fitnah? or it's just another truth? dont tell me, i dont want ur answers. tepuk dada, tanyalah selera.

    BULOST

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  37. Just to add...
    I was at the meeting representing KNUKE that day...
    MCOT & IMAM reps bukan main tersenyum lagi when they agreed that the thing had finally been settled... Not too long after that the petition went public...
    KNUKE reps and committee members mengaku yg we could have done better in terms of regulation on that day... but c'mon... we r not that idiotic to be selling alcohol in an event with a 90% Malaysian turnout... kita pun tahu malu...

    Yg sangat tak memuaskan hati is the fact that the the petition was made public even after the meeting was held... dah lah meeting tu dibuat bersama2 rep Malaysian Student Department... and beliau juga setuju yg kes ini should be 'tutup'ed during the meeting itself...

    So if U call urself a Muslim... U should know that going against ur own words and tak mengotai janji = dosa... & if u say it's for the benefit of all muslims... the accusations made on the event were based on bloody lies... & if ur using that as a basis for ur accusations jugak... maka FITNAH la namanya...

    The event, in my opinion, was one of the few successful ones over the years as it was a TRUE collaboration between 2 societies/enterprise that involved people of various race, ages and religion...

    I am sorry to say that events held by MCOT or IMAM (which I have never heard of before this... r u really a society??? Coz even the MSD rep has never heard of u... hmmm...)has always been about one race & one religion... n u know that IT'S A FACT...

    N please... it's despicable for u to be using Islam as a way of bringing someone down if u know it's entirely lies & fitnah... u should know better...
    -Ezman Shariff-

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  38. this petition is spread by one of MCOT's members, without the MCOT leader knowing it. MCOT and IMAM leaders have told that person named Lyda that the case is already closed. and it shouldn't be brought up anymore. MCOT and IMAM agreed to release an official statement against this petition and send it out to their mailing list. MSSM, KNUKE, MCOT and IMAM have tried their best solve this. however, there are individuals who are not happy with the outcome of the meeting. this is what we call orang yang "busuk hati"

    to the person who own this blog,
    you enjoy stirring shit amongst people, as i see. what you have done is absolutely despicable and childish. if you're not happy with what happened at the gig, talk to us, we can clarify everything for you. but maybe public humiliation is more of your style.

    close this blog down immediately. you're losing. deal with it.

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  39. Salam and Hi,

    *sile bace dengan nada yg tenang*

    First of all, let me state that I am an independent observer who lives in Manchester and is aware of what is happening. Having been involved (and currently involved) in 3 of the societies that have been mentioned (MSSM, MCOT, IMAM), I do know from personal experience what the implications are.

    I think there is no need for rude words nor accusations to be thrown at either side. We are all adults, so lets try and discuss and argue like one ok? :)


    I think Annis has made it perfectly clear that things have been settled and therefore I second the opinion that this blog should be closed down and the petition withdrawn. What you are demanding has essentially been met and further continuation of this blog would just cause more harm than good.

    Secondly, all societies tak terkecuali daripada membuat kesilapan. MSSM & KNUKE - for not anticipating or taking enough action for what had happened. MCOT, KUSMA, MSM, IMAM - for not letting their respective members know about the actions that have been taken and the decision that was made. Kesimpulannya, semua orang made mistakes but the important thing here is that mistakes have been rectified or will be.


    As for the people who are reading this blog who are not in Manchester, this I have to say to you - I understand your concerns and do appreciate it, but I think as far as menghindari perkara ini from happening again, biarlah ia berakhir disini. Let us, the people of Manchester settle it as I think we are the ones who are in the know of what actually happened.

    Now that actions have been taken, damages have been done and words have been exchanged, the important thing is for everyone to learn from this so hopefully nothing like this will ever happen again. (and I am not just referring to the allegations of what happened on the night of the gig but also how complaints against it were made as well as the fact that it was not properly clarified beforehand)


    p/s: Ezman, I did not appreciate ur comment on IMAM as I am in it! Knock ur head baru tau :p Haha.



    Nur Jannah Mohd Radzif
    3rd year medical student
    Central Manchester Foundation Trust

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  41. Love u Kak. Jannah "My Most Favourite Senior in the Whole Wide World" Mohd. Radzif... :-P

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  42. Salam,

    Terfikir, kalau kita ada anak (suatu hari nanti), rasanya adakah kita akan bagitau kat anak-anak kita,

    "Papa/Mama dengar nanti sociecty X nak buat GIG kat tempat kamu belajar tu, dah beli tiket tak?"

    "Papa/Mama sangat galakkan kamu pergi. Boleh dapat ramai kawan kat sana nanti."

    -------

    Maaf jika bunyinya seperti sarkastik (sarcastic).

    Saya yakin yang semua boleh setuju tak akan ada ibu bapa yang akan 'menggalakkan' anak-anak mereka ke event seperti ini.

    Walaupun mungkin ada yang akan kata ibu bapa mungkin tak menggalakkan, tapi mereka juga tak melarang, namun saya rasa tak menggalakkan = hampir kepada melarang.

    Saya cuma ingin mengajak kita semua untuk meletakkan diri kita dalam kasut seorang ibu atau bapa, dalam menetapkan apa jua pendirian kita berkenaan petisyen ini.

    Adakah kita mahu anak kita tergolong dalam kalangan:

    1. Penganjur event ini (yang tersebut di atas)
    2. Orang yang hadir ke event ini
    3. Pembuat blog dan petisyen ini
    4. Penyokong petisyen ini
    5. Orang yang menolak petisyen ini


    Saya boleh bersetuju dengan komen-komen anda yang merasakan blog dan petisyen ini patut ditutup JIKA anda dapat menyenaraikan MANFAAT yang boleh didapati oleh semua pihak yang terlibat dalam penganjuran mahupun menyertai event ni.


    Satu yang saya boleh detect:

    'PERPADUAN - 1Malaysia'
    "The event, in my opinion, was one of the few successful ones over the years as it was a TRUE collaboration between 2 societies/enterprise that involved people of various race, ages and religion.."


    Ada lagi tak?

    TETAPI, untuk berlaku adil, boleh juga berikan apa keburukan/kesan negatif penganjuran dan penyertaan ke dalam event seperti ini.

    Seterusnya, perlu pertimbangkan, mana lagi berat, yang positif ka negatif, manfaat ka mudarat?

    ------

    Suka untuk saya jelaskan sekali lagi, apa yang saya persoalkan ialah KEWAJARAN PENGANJURAN EVENT SEPERTI INI.

    Jika EVENT INI MEMANG WAJAR DIANJURKAN, barulah kita boleh masuk kepada perbincangan "APAKAH WAJAR PETISYEN SEPERTI INI DIHASILKAN DAN DISEBARLUASKAN?"

    -----

    Sebabnya saya melihat, komen-komen yang diberi di atas ni hanya ingin MENYOKONG atau MENG-CONDEMN PETISYEN ini dan bukannya EVENT ini, sedangkan hakikatnya, kalau kita nak 'berbalah' (atau kata manisnya, 'bertukar pandangan') biarlah berbalah pada asas yang TEPAT.

    ----

    Kesimpulan, sebelum nak teruskan perkongsian pandangan, sila fokus pada isu pokok petisyen ni, bukan pada petisyen ni sendiri. (seperti persoalan yang saya timbulkan di atas).


    Terima kasih kerana membaca sehingga teliti sehingga ke hujung siaran.

    Jom kongsi pandangan dengan lebih matang! ;)


    Allah Knows Best.

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  43. OMIGAWWWWD S.B.S ni x faham2 lagi!!!! "isu pokok petisyen" sudah settle. the isu now IS the petition yg x perlu disebarkan sudey! GET IT???

    sekarang u nak attack mak bapak orang pulak?? u "rasa" je parents x menggalakkan, tapi hakikatnye u tak boleh buat kesimpulan based on ape yang YOU "RASA". from here i realize that you hanya argue ikut perasaan, and tak tahu langsung cemane nak berdebat dengan fakta, which makes arguing with you... POINTLESS.

    PS: my parents were really proud of me to be the Emcee for this event. It was an amazing learning experience for me, and Allah wants us to gain as much knowledge of anything as we can.

    Allah knows best. tapi manusia diberi otak untuk berfikir jugak.

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  44. salam.

    mr s.b.s, clearly u hv failed to grasp the essence of all this debating notions, ppl argued on whether it's functional and appropriate this lowly petition or it's just an excuse for saying "I do concern about Islam and Muslim, please you all should know i really do, please notice that I am better than those other people."

    like they always put at the end of each post, to make them look better,

    Allah knows best.

    BULOST

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  45. it's pointless trying to explain to people who failed to understand what we've been discussing so far and even more sad that he's asking about something that is irrelevant and unrelated to this petition.

    my dear MSSM and KNUKE people, we shall stop here. this case is closed. and to those of you who still do not understand and still want to argue, well.. we have given enough details in both malay and english. what more do u want? bahasa tamil? bahasa cina?

    korang ni tau nak mencari kesalahan orang. kita sudah mengaku kita ada salah silap, apa yang kita boleh buat sekarang adalah belajar dari kesilapan. why do we have to dwell over what has happened in the past? what matters now is that action has been taken to ensure this wont happen again in the future.

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  46. I think it is about time this case is closed. I believe those who have given all the comments (more harmful than not) are not in the position to give such comments as they are not involve in the whole process (rumours-> meeting with MSD-> MSD and head of societies agreement on action that would be taken), plus i think they are not even in Manchester

    I dare to say, those people see this situation if different context, and we the people involve have tried and tried for so many times to explain the whole situation, yet the argument still lingers on a wrong base. We did enough explanation, and if they still do not get it, we know that what we did is right.

    As the head of societies have agreed that the case is closed, and will inform the members of their own societies officially on this matter, any further allegation made is baseless and incorrect.

    Senang cerita, next time jaga tepi kain sendiri. Let people do their own stuff, kalau diorang buat salah, they'll fix it. Let people in the know do their work.

    p/s: we are not in power to ask the founder of the blog to close the blog, as they could argue about freedom of speech bla bla bla. tapi yang baca tu, pndai2 lah semak dulu kesahihah cerita, and know the truth.

    Bai

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  47. sorry, baru sempat menjenguk balik kat sini, tak sempat nak online ;-)

    annis, sorry sebab ku berada di sheffield. tak tahu keadaan tempat semua tu. tp yg ku tahu buat acara ni berdekatan dengan bar, student union cik annis katakan, sama la kot dengan student union sini yg bersepah bar. sebab tu ku kata kat atas tu yg, tanggungjawab penganjur untuk cari tempat yg 'kalau boleh, jauh dari tempat macam ni' kalau takde tempat sangat, tak payah buat. senang. tak pun datang sheffield, kita buat gig dalam church. sini banyak church ;)


    adam, good point, at least ku dapat point yg mana mahu diterangkan. terima kasih. harap2 yg buat petisyen ni takde niat untuk memecahkan masyarakat di manchester, kalau ada niat dia macam tu, kita sama2 doa supy tuhan tolong kita.


    sbs - stuju dan terima kasih tolong mengingatkan... (besarnya tanggungjawab pemimpin ni....)



    nak pergi manchester sabtu ni, roger2 la ye sape2 berminat untuk buat bisnes, cari duit untuk memajukan ummah kita (alasan baikkk punya)

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  48. MCOT, IMAM and KUSMA have released their official statements regarding this pathetic petition blog post. among the details, stated that they urge the owner of this blog to close down this post in immediate effect. discussions regarding this matter has been found its own solutions and absolute actions are being taken and whatnot.

    Therefore, with all due respect to malaysians residing in other parts of uk, please dont prolong this issue with your 'innocent statements'. there are eyes who know the truth, and they are certainly not you.

    anyhow, keep up the good work, my own philosophy is 'towards a better man, khalifah is my destiny', that being said, being one is not like being innocently selfish, being one is taking into account other peoples' dignity to your heart's end. then will you respect others, with no disgusted feelings towards each other.

    for that, I rest my case peacefully. case closed.

    salam

    NIKMAN ADLI (BULOST)

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  49. Hello Malaysians, i'm a little late to the party. Allow me to emulate one of my favourite fictional characters, Mr Holmes...

    Dear @sobermalaysia your chioce of using Blogger.com shows you must have some brains, knowing it is protected by U.S. law (oh how you yourself cower behind those curtains of privacy and freedom of speech (insert chuckle of irony here)) and therefore reporting abuse by defamation is not possible.

    Your modus operandi also shows you know about Google Docs' form system. Myself a webmeister can tell you are familiar with it to have chosen that.

    Your choice of the above image, of alcoholic substances with a disallow sign over it, gives away your tracks where on the Internet you have been.

    I also know you originally wrote this blog entry on a Microsoft Word 12 Beta program. Well, at least the last person who edited it was... at least ONE (or was it you?) of your collaborators was using an Apple version of this (don't get me started on how gullible Mac users are).

    From the source code, i note that you were in a hurry, or are simply sloppy with formatting your text (of the TERRIBLE typography!).

    But let's be honest. If you are REALLY concerned about the matter, you should at least speak to one of the organizers about it.

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  50. joegrimjow, sheffield banyak bar, xyalha study/keje situ. baik elakkan je kan? gi balik study la di kampung melayu k. faham x? its just the same everywhere we go. tempat sebesar manchester ke tempat sekecik students union, its the students choice. alcohol is everywhere. kalo u nak elak sume, cuba elakkan 7/11, sume restaurant yg jual alcohol, jgn duduk hotel yg serve arak, sume tulah. ade kan yg gi sume tempat ni tp x beli arak? x gune pun melarang orang. habistu u nak suruh org jgn buat event yg memanfaatkan buat ape. bukan salah event/ venue event.

    anyway, here are the official statements from ALL societies in Manchester defending and backing up the event and the organizers and clearing up the mess that this blog has created. so i hope noone is confused about anything anymore.

    http://bit.ly/clgB71

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  51. kalau boleh elak, kita elak
    ;)
    sjazz, cube baca entry dalam blog saye (promote blog, hehe) saye bukan anti bar. main chess kat bar, ritu kawan satu intern ajak bersosial kat caverndish (bar jugak) saye tak tolak

    sebab, xde pilihan (masuk dalam tu jgn la beli arak kan, hot chocolate kan ada. hehe)

    tp, kalau kita organaizer (saye suke organaize2 ni) kita da pilihan nak buat. tempat katne, camne event tu akan berlangsung, control event and so on so on.


    akhir kata (ace cee)

    saya mintak maaf kalau terkasar bahasa ke ape, sorry ya adam pasal analogi tu. semua skali la, kita doa2 supaya rakyat malaysia yg belajar kat uk ni terus mendapat payung keredhaan Allah (termasuk saya juga)

    Allah knows BEST (betol ke grammar ni?)

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  52. Hi all,

    First of all, I am impressed that the issue of alcohol has been resolved unanimously by all the society in Manchester. Mainly because, Malaysian Muslim students are not at fault for this matter to emerge from nowhere in order to smear the relationship of all the Malaysian students society in Manchester. However, I am not entirely happy that this issue has heated up to the extent it affected relationship among all Malaysians in Manchester.

    The joint event by MSSM and KNUKE was a instant success in Manchester. Congratulation to Shang Neng ans his team for bringing this to Manchester. MSSM has a long history and policy that they do not organise events which includes alcoholic beverages. We respected all other religions and will continue to do so.

    Jannah and Annis had made a good point respectively. Mistakes are inevitable. No one is spared from it and what we should do now is to learn from it and rectify it immediately. Annis is right on the KNUKE's hardwork so far. They would not be a success if they have not collaborate with the local bands. And again, bars are unavoidable as a source of location in the UK.

    I am not in the right position to criticize what religion you should believe in but as long as you believe in one religion, it is your own responsibility to uphold your integrity and have faith in it.

    LAst but not least, to whoever the blogger of this blog, I strongly suggest that this blog be closed in order to avoid any more confrontation among all the Malaysians in the future.

    Thank you.

    Regards,
    Adrian Ng Wen Jun
    Ex-President MSSM
    2007-08

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  53. abang sheffield, sila baca komen post kat blog saya, saya dah reply. panjang lebar. baru awak akan faham adakah kami sudah try utk elak cr tmpt berarak ke tak. and please think carefully before saying anything. it does not look cute when u say things badly about others and then put a 'hehehe' or 'ecece' at the end of some sentences. it doesnt, trust me. most of 'you' love to do that (well labelling ppl is not good, but we hv been labelled harshly hvnt we?)

    case closed, case closed. tak puas ati lagi jom jumpe tuan guru nik aziz, suh die tutup bar2 kat kota baru tuh, jumpe skali najib, haramkan arak kat 7/11.

    salam

    bulost

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